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Post by Adngel on Oct 5, 2018 5:03:06 GMT 10
RE fandom is dying.
I feel this has been like a tabu topic, the kind of issue that many people feel but don't want to say in loud (to avoid drama, discussions or even to make it not happens), but I think that there should be a better plan to deal this than just cross fingers and await for Capcom's changing its course.
Reasons why I feel the fandom's bad shape are: - The abandon state of many RE forums. - The lack of new fan-arts (From East and Occident). - The still decreasing statistics of Google searches. - Marketing team trying to change Capcom reputation for the one of an "exclusive boutique" to justify their lost of mainstream. - Decrease of click-bait news using the Resident Evil words (what at least, I'm fine with this, the situation before was badly exagerated). - Or that a new RE2 trailer were released a couple of weeks ago and the buzzing from it and the game were mosly faded now again. O_ò
Beyond of what were the reasons, or how many times were said the "I told you". I'm concerned for the "now what?". If RE really would have ended yesterday... would you just turn page and forget it now? or have you got any cunning plan for the case?
There are more franchises out there what obviously can entertain me, but despite my lack of motivation in last Capcom's experiments, I still like RE and I would like more of it. Usually a vibrant active community makes the gaps between games easier, and could provide a lot of welcome content, ( Like Tomb Raider Level Editor community, that even nowadays, still makes competitions and christmas events)
Any idea of how to rise the community motivation? or any plan about dealing with this dead-franchise state?
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Post by mwesten2 on Oct 5, 2018 7:39:38 GMT 10
I think it just grew up, and RE games take too long to be released. Since RE6 we got RE7 and will get RE2 Remake soon. Compare that to early 2000's. You had RE3, Code Veronica, RE4, Outbreaks, WII games... list goes on.
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Post by Akeinu on Oct 5, 2018 14:25:32 GMT 10
For me it started with RE Revelations 2, it was a total disapointment. I had fun with it, but neither story nor gameplay amazed me and than came the trailers to RE7 and i knew the franchise was lost. I hate 7, have seen it only as a stream, and it was absolutely boring, glad i worked on pc while watching it.... a waste of time nonetheless.
Now Re 2 Remake is on the move, but i just dont care. The story is already told. I hate that the charas are just 1 to 1 copys of some narcistic instagram models and everything looks boring and to close to the garbage of RE 7.
I still love RE franchise and play RE 6 daily since its Release and RE 4,5,6 and Revelations are one of my dearest games.
The thing is Resi died for me with RE 7 and everything including 7 is not canon for me. I dont care and i have no reason to engage in forums about it. Same with the Evil Within. I love the first game 800 hours constantly rising. Its with RE 6 and 5 my 3 favourite games, but the Evil Within 2 was such a huge dissapointment. A story that contradicted established lore characters got exchanged with new fake personalities and appearances and the Mobius story was absolutely wasted. It was not as awfull as RE 7, but still im not interested in any game that follows TEW 2 wasted and tainted story.
RE has lost its soul, it is just boring and plain. No need of creating art of actors and models that are just copy and pasted, the whole RE7 game had not 1 good iconic, or original event for me, nothing! It was just cringy trash. Ironman power and magic zombie mold with a nirvana was the least thing the franchise needed. Whats next? Space Wizard yoghurt zombies created by an ancient deity from the planet Gorkamorka, with markiplier as the main Hero?
I would love for the RE franchise to split, call it different i dont care, i just want games like RE 5, 6, Revelations or TEW. But not from Capcom anymore, they will not let go of photogrammetrie and i dont want to see any more beloved charakters get exchanged with anoying instagram people. You cant create art without art and thats what they are making, just scanning everything dont give it any heart and soul and i can clearly see that.
A single Mercenarys map for the older games has more worth to me than any recent Capcom game.
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Post by Adngel on Oct 5, 2018 18:22:17 GMT 10
I'm sharing more the Akeinu opinion. The RErev2 small scope didn't bother me a lot, I received that game like a snack for the waiting till the next big game, I didn't saw anything wrong for one low budget game, but everything that has came after, remained in that small scope filter too. >_< And over that there is the tone change of RE7 and RE2reboot. If the future of Resident Evil will be like these products of the last 4 years, I'm finding hard to get hyped and with lack of interest for discussions about the next games. Looks like that golden age of Resident Evil has already passed. But is there a way to avoid this extended downfall feeling? Clearly a good excting RE game would help (one of those with that feeling of "this is unmissable!", but I'm feeling this chance like something unlikely). I feel like, to can inspire others, I must rise an intrinsic motivation first, however, I don't manage to keep it much longer.
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Post by Akeinu on Oct 5, 2018 21:34:54 GMT 10
The franchise is dying like you said, the horror fanboys wont admit it, but alot of people really liked RE 4 to 6.
Capcom has clearly no vision for Resident Evil anymore. They just hire random writers like in RE 7 to advance the story at random. Thats why the tone is so different, those writers have no clue, heart, or ambitions for Resident Evil.
Photogrammetry makes the art teams lazy and destroys all uniqueness, originality and style. Whats left is a franchise with only quick money in mind.
I never get bored to play my favourite RE games again and again and mods make it even better. I abandoned the franchise, but i will never abandon the good games we already have.
I doubt the current RE formular will change soon, so if you dont like it, better leave it. There is no way to save the franchise from the outside, not with such an divided fanbase. Without games worth talking about the community has no use either.
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Post by EvilLord on Oct 5, 2018 23:22:54 GMT 10
From what i can see yes it is indeed DYING and it was dying ever since RE5 (or RE4 cant tell cuz i loved it so much) right after those games came along xD
after that we had just crappy games (not RE6 to me it was still fun to play) ORC Umbrella Corp's and RE7 to me were just crap xD
ORC we all know why UC we ALLL KNOW WHY XD
and RE7 is just a clone of Outlast and few other "horror" games that came before RE7 and was just boring and meh to me xD
but HOPEFULLY Now with the Remake of 2 we get RE3 and CVX and we will be sealed in a Magic lamp of good games after capcom Kills RE with RE8 which i assume will be so Fucked up it will just kill everything xD
SO YEAH cant wait to Sink with the ship its been an honor to be a part of this amazing community ^_^ (even tho at times its toxic as fuck) xD
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Post by mwesten2 on Oct 6, 2018 6:39:47 GMT 10
From what i can see yes it is indeed DYING and it was dying ever since RE5 (or RE4 cant tell cuz i loved it so much) right after those games came along xD after that we had just crappy games (not RE6 to me it was still fun to play) ORC Umbrella Corp's and RE7 to me were just crap xD ORC we all know why UC we ALLL KNOW WHY XD and RE7 is just a clone of Outlast and few other "horror" games that came before RE7 and was just boring and meh to me xD but HOPEFULLY Now with the Remake of 2 we get RE3 and CVX and we will be sealed in a Magic lamp of good games after capcom Kills RE with RE8 which i assume will be so Fucked up it will just kill everything xD SO YEAH cant wait to Sink with the ship its been an honor to be a part of this amazing community ^_^ (even tho at times its toxic as fuck) xD As much as it hurts to admit, Resident Evil 5 ruined the resident evil franchise. Resident Evil 5 was Resident Evil 4 on visual steroids, but failed when it came to plot. It sold really well, Like its one of capcom's best selling games of all times. Then we all know what happened, soulless third person call of duty wannabes that destroyed what's left of fanbase's expectations. People didn't buy "next RE games will return to horror roots".
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Post by bloodyhunter on Oct 6, 2018 19:53:30 GMT 10
It doesn't seem the RE community is dead or dying to me. I'm probably in the minority here, but I have to say I'm really happy with the way Capcom has apparently decided to handle the franchise since RE7... so I also respectfully disagree with most opinions that were voiced in the previous posts of this thread. The main "problem" -as Akeinu said- is that the community is still divided after all these years. You've got the pre-RE4 fans (classic survival-horror) on one side and the post-RE4 fans (action-horror) on the other, plus another part of the community which is more silent and open-minded caught between these two very vocal categories. The fact that the community seems to die is perhaps related to the fact that Capcom has fully returned to survival-horror with RE7 and now RE2. Survival-horror being a niche genre, it is obvious that it is less appealing to the vast majority of gamers (thus explaining why there are less fans involved with the franchise now). Adngel , unfortunately more and more people favour social media over forums but I beg to differ when you say there's less fan arts or click-bait videos out there. Just look at Deviant Art for instance, there are loads of drawings and stuff made with 3D models. Hell, just look at this forum and all the mods that are being constantly released! There are also YouTube channels sharing great content on RE (with interesting interviews and podcasts)... and others that just keep posting cheap news and theories stolen from various forums with click-bait titles (I could name a few, but I seriously don't want any of them to win viewers or money they don't deserve). Anyway, to each their own! But I just feel like some people are quick to jump on the hate-train just because the new games/materials do not match 100% their expectations... Which is a shame, really. So no, the franchise is far from dying to me, merely re-focusing.
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Post by ToCool74 on Oct 6, 2018 20:26:25 GMT 10
It doesn't seem the RE community is dead or dying to me. I'm probably in the minority here, but I have to say I'm really happy with the way Capcom has apparently decided to handle the franchise since RE7... so I also respectfully disagree with most opinions that were voiced in the previous posts of this thread. The main "problem" -as Akeinu said- is that the community is still divided after all these years. You've got the pre-RE4 fans (classic survival-horror) on one side and the post-RE4 fans (action-horror) on the other, plus another part of the community which is more silent and open-minded caught between these two very vocal categories. The fact that the community seems to die is perhaps related to the fact that Capcom has fully returned to survival-horror with RE7 and now RE2. Survival-h7 orror being a niche genre, it is obvious that it is less appealing to the vast majority of gamers (thus explaining why there are less fans involved with the franchise now). Adngel , unfortunately more and more people favour social media over forums but I beg to differ when you say there's less fan arts or click-bait videos anymore out there. Just look at Deviant Art for instance, there are loads of drawings and stuff made with 3D models. Hell, just look at this forum and all the mods that are being constantly released! There are also YouTube channels sharing great content on RE (with interesting interviews and podcasts)... and others that just keep posting cheap news and theories stolen from various forums with click-bait titles (I could name a few, but I seriously don't want any of them to win viewers or money they don't deserve). Anyway, to each their own! But I just feel like some people are quick to jump on the hate-train just because the new games/materials do not match 100% their expectations... Which is a shame, really. So no, the franchise is far from dying to me, merely re-focusing.
This I COMPLETELY agree with. I honestly think people tend to jump on the "this series is dead train" far to easily when really its just the fact that the series is not dying but more along the lines it is becoming "less than" In some fans eyes since the series had a more united front up until RE4 was released and even then the series was still pretty much united since around that time we still had RE0 and Remake which gave the more classic fans cause for ease since it was not established at that point that the series was going to go full blown action so people where far less divisive until RE5 came and "classic fans" knew it was pretty much the end of the old formula.
Really I've seen "dead series" that I loved such as Turok, Mega Man, and even Castlevania where they are getting VERY little love from their respective owners leaving fans really in a state of disarray about the future of those series, Resident Evil while it may not be what some of us want DOES get games released and Capcom DOES seem to care about releasing them unlike the series I listed above and regardless of whether you like the direction RE7 took (which I did not) that does not change the fact that Capcom still is invested in keeping this series moving forward and that in itself means the series is not dead or dying but merely evolving into something some fans may not like to stay onboard with while others may be just fine with it. We even have a new RE game around the corner with RE2 and yes while some fans may gripe about the character redesigns as well as the change from fixed Camera angles that does not take away from the fact that Capcom is giving us a remake that we have been clamoring for. Now while I would have loved if this remake had stayed more faithful like the original remake did I still find myself completely fine with this new take and understand why Capcom wants to appeal to a broader audience by not restricting it to tank controls and honestly while I'm a known fan of the classic RE games I've really always wanted to play through the events of the classic games with over the shoulder gameplay since even though I prefer the classics I couldn't help but love the core gameplay and moves RE4 introduced and seeing the RE2 remake will have this gameplay as opposed to a First Person perspective is a win win for me.
So in short I disagree with most of the sentiments already expressed in this topic, with everything I've seen of RE2 remake I'm actually hopeful for the series future and as I've said before on this forums I've always believed the way forward for the series was to mix elements from BOTH the action and the survival horror games to give a true balance in the fandom by having over the shoulder gameplay of RE4, RE5, and RE6 but the atmosphere/classic RE horror elements of RE1, RE2, and RE3. The Revelations series (which I love) was good practice for Capcom but RE2 remake seems to be them cashing the chips in so to speak so if RE2 Remake does well I'm hopeful the maingame series follows that example.
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Post by EvilLord on Oct 7, 2018 4:14:38 GMT 10
As much as it hurts to admit, Resident Evil 5 ruined the resident evil franchise. Resident Evil 5 was Resident Evil 4 on visual steroids, but failed when it came to plot. It sold really well, Like its one of capcom's best selling games of all times. Then we all know what happened, soulless third person call of duty wannabes that destroyed what's left of fanbase's expectations. People didn't buy "next RE games will return to horror roots". and you know whats sad Capcom had the BEST Scenario for RE5 but because it had ZOMBIES and SINGLE PLAYER and black people (which LIVE in Africa you cant just make em not black) and it all failed cuz they wanted CO OP xD the first trailer we saw of RE5 was AMAZING and it was going to be the BEST but after that someone from capcom was like NAH ITS TOO SPOOKY SCRAP IT xd the same happened to RE4 aka RE3.5 the same happened to almost all the RE games (even RE7) which was suppose to have even more stuff than it haves now xD just because they DONT ASK US how we feel about shit but now that we WHINE about it they try and fix it and STILL they cant make it right xD instead they try to copy other games (like in RE7s case which copied so many Horror FPS games) and fail miserably xD the only GOOD thing that is coming right now is RE2 Remake (i have a good feeling about it not like RE7 which made me hate it from the start) soo lets hope it will be a good one xD even tho Ada looks absolutely nothing like Ada XD
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Post by mwesten2 on Oct 7, 2018 6:19:07 GMT 10
As much as it hurts to admit, Resident Evil 5 ruined the resident evil franchise. Resident Evil 5 was Resident Evil 4 on visual steroids, but failed when it came to plot. It sold really well, Like its one of capcom's best selling games of all times. Then we all know what happened, soulless third person call of duty wannabes that destroyed what's left of fanbase's expectations. People didn't buy "next RE games will return to horror roots". and you know whats sad Capcom had the BEST Scenario for RE5 but because it had ZOMBIES and SINGLE PLAYER and black people (which LIVE in Africa you cant just make em not black) and it all failed cuz they wanted CO OP xD the first trailer we saw of RE5 was AMAZING and it was going to be the BEST but after that someone from capcom was like NAH ITS TOO SPOOKY SCRAP IT xd the same happened to RE4 aka RE3.5 the same happened to almost all the RE games (even RE7) which was suppose to have even more stuff than it haves now xD just because they DONT ASK US how we feel about shit but now that we WHINE about it they try and fix it and STILL they cant make it right xD instead they try to copy other games (like in RE7s case which copied so many Horror FPS games) and fail miserably xD the only GOOD thing that is coming right now is RE2 Remake (i have a good feeling about it not like RE7 which made me hate it from the start) soo lets hope it will be a good one xD even tho Ada looks absolutely nothing like Ada XD I don't get the idea to switch from horror resident evil to action based resident evil. RE5 first trailer was very scary, much scarier than resident evil 4 wich was spooky action at best, those graphics were nightmare not actual game. I guess they wanted to catch new people(kids namely). And while resident evil 5 was grounded game and resembled classic resident evil mechanics(like you cant walk while aiming, melee finishers, knifing enemies that are on the floor, managing inventory, 2 character story(even tho its coop, still felt like old resident evils where you had 2 characters wich is good since main leads need company ), Resident evil 6 wen't full ham into action and resident evil fans were like "uhmmm... is this "call of duty for dummies""? Resident evil lost its unique features. Me for instance i love the mechanic where you stop to aim and shoot its fairly realistic, and makes game slower, tenacious and more vulnerable to enemy attacks which is good for horror. Managing inventory, love it. Usage of knife to conserve ammo... Shame
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Post by Akeinu on Nov 28, 2018 13:51:28 GMT 10
As much as it hurts to admit, Resident Evil 5 ruined the resident evil franchise. Resident Evil 5 was Resident Evil 4 on visual steroids, but failed when it came to plot. It sold really well, Like its one of capcom's best selling games of all times. Then we all know what happened, soulless third person call of duty wannabes that destroyed what's left of fanbase's expectations. People didn't buy "next RE games will return to horror roots". Hahahahah sure RE 5 ruined the franchise! you know, Resident evil was about to get canceled if RE 4 would have failed. As much as classic RE fans like to praise the old geames, RE 3, RE 1 Remake and RE 0 where all flops, in an interview shinji mikami explained that he was under huge pressure directing 4 because if it would havefailed the franchise would have been cancelled. RE 5 is the best selling game of the franchise and RE 6 the 2nd best selling game. Without those games RE would be already dead. Games without any gameplay, which only gimmick is that its scary for easily scared people arent selling to well. The old games had just 0 skill invloved. Beating a boss was not about tactik or skill, it was just about having enough ammo and than its a walk in the park. Sales including all versions from vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Resident_EvilResident Evil 4 8,228,067 Resident Evil 5 12,140,000 Resident Evil 6 10,000,000 Resident Evil 7 5,400,000 Now 800 people work on RE 2 Remake, 200 more than on RE 6. They bet their horses on it. However it performs will determine the direction of the franchise. I think Revelations is for now on ice, because Revelations 2 sold even less than 1 and they have not enough stuff to recycle for now to make the game as cheap as possible. The trash talk from these so called "fans" who just want zombies and a mansion every game without any logical story progression or gameplay, really hurt the franchise RE 5 and 6 would have sold even much more without all these badmouthing. No matter how RE 2 Remake turns out i cant see a single scenario that saves the franchise. If its a success we get more remakes, wich means no story progression for the next 10 years and just the same already known stuff over and over. If it fails we might get a mix between RE 7 and RE 4 to 6, but with the magic and sci fi stuff they introduced in the garbage they call 7, the story is far beyond from saving. Only Space Wizard Cyber Zombies can be next with their current mentallity and clueless direction of the RE franchise. RE 6 story was written by Shotaro Suga who also wrote degeneration and damnation, the game was a logical a natural progression of Reident Evil. RE 7 seven was written by Richard Pearsey a guy with no connection or knowledge of RE, writing also for Fear and other boring modern warfare shooters.... thats not RE thats bad fanfiction that killed the franchise. Now they make remakes because they have no clue themself how to progress the story, without sinking the ship even further. The real Resident Evil movies are also dead, the first movie Resident Evil: Degeneration made $73,221,743 the 2nd Resident Evil: Damnation made $5,838,841 and the last one Resident Evil: Vendetta made only $1,488,700, so i doubt we get another movie anytime soon with this sales. Conclusion -Fans devided or already left the ship! -spin-off Revelations franchise is not profitable! -Current Main Entry has no vision, direction or clue! -The sucessfull Action games get noisy backlash from few classic fans wich hurts sales and the franchise brand! -The classic games dont make enough money to justify a new game in that direction! -current RE Movies are non profitable!
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Post by packman on Nov 29, 2018 21:52:14 GMT 10
Sorry that i am forced to show that i care by asking a simple stupid question, is the story writer of re2,3 and code veronica alive? why can't he simply resume his work? and for me, if some one likes to know my opinion about the serious, here a simple analysis from my side of view may help focus on reasons killed the franchise and what things may help restore it a life:
re1: * the idea of puzzles and horror is new and fresh, despite its a little lacks drama and passion
** graphics: basic but good enough to explain the idea ** game play and system: basic but good enough to explain the idea ** characters: nice designs and convincing ** story line and passion: lacks passion still basic ** environment: classic convincing enough for a real incident ** music: poor
re2: * they story line was great, reach scenarios and seams valuable on many elements
** graphics: basic but good enough ** game play and system: basic nothing new ** characters: nice and lovable ** story line and passion: rich ** environment: classic convincing enough for a real incident ** music: nice
re3: *good puzzles, great horror element but little lacks drama, passion and story line
** graphics: basic but good enough ** game play and system: improved 360 turn, attack avoid ** characters: nice ** story line and passion: fine but lacks passion ** environment: classic convincing enough for a real incident ** music: lacks passion
code veronica: * nice move to higher graphics, great puzzles, nice passion and dramatic element despite i have weird feeling that the play system in re3 that jill can avoid attacks was better than in cv despite cv considered a higher step
** graphics: improved ** game play and system: great ** characters: nicely accepted ** story line and passion: has passion and fine despite it went father than reality ** environment: classic convincing enough for a real incident ** music: good
re4: * move forward to graphics level but much different play system, and also lacks passion and drama as leveled as re3 despite nemisis in re3 was iconic .. so to me re4 was the start of the franchise sickness with all my respect to its fans
** graphics: improved ** game play and system: different and confusing for original system and fixed camera fans ** characters: not very well received as ashly, luis also krauser did not really build good fan base ** story line and passion: lacks passion and very cold ** environment: cold design not as attractive as original fans used to ** music: poor
re5: * the co system is new but also toke the game to a lower level talking about horror, drama and passion.. sounds like "together we will do everything and its just a stupid action journey.. no worries"
** graphics: improved ** game play and system: has new combat elements which take you farther away from horror and real survivor feel ** characters: not very touching ** story line and passion: lacks passion and cold ** environment: cold design not as classic as original fans used to ** music: poor re6: * resuming co system, horror element fades more but better passion and drama despite was too short peace of stories together..
** graphics: same as 5 level ** game play and system: has new combat elements which take you farther away from horror and real survivor feel ** characters: great and touching ** story line and passion: better passion and drama but too short ** music: poor
revelations: * very cold lacks passion and far from reality and classics and poor story line
** graphics: poor textures ** game play and system: poor ** characters: not very touching ** story line and passion: poor ** music: poor
Revelations 2: * has good passion and drama element but lost in the cold environment design
** graphics: cold design no classic ** game play and system: fine ** characters: fine but could be better as barry was original better, moira looks very cool to be in nightmare ** story line and passion: good ** music: poor
re7: * lower level breaking emotion relation between player and game character by hiding player behind the screen, very missy environment while original fans used to see clean areas and lacks passion
** graphics: better ** game play and system: new confusing ** characters: not very touching could not build a fan base ** story line and passion: poor ** music: poor
conclusion: the idea started based on: puzzles, 3rd perosn, classic environment and got more convincing using music and passion, drama elements.. in order to hold original fans to roots you have to keep the original elements alive as "me as original fan"always wait to have nice passion and dramatic story line, sweet attractive classic environment and reality puzzles and sweet designed characters in order to keep stuck to the franchise ..
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Post by packman on Nov 29, 2018 21:52:53 GMT 10
oh did i talk too much
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Post by Akeinu on Nov 30, 2018 14:56:42 GMT 10
oh did i talk too much In a comatose forum you really shouldn`t worry about talkinig to much! its the only string that keeps it alive!
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