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Post by Overseer on Feb 9, 2017 16:10:08 GMT 10
I have yet to finish my JP playthrough but I do know what you're talking about. I know certain name connections were also lost, as were a few easter eggs (like the dog tags) and so-on. The only general difference is that the majority of the FF fandom knows at least in advance that there's always something in there to check and when in doubt, the German regional translation is often closer to the JP than the English one is if translation notes on the JP side are particularly slow to surface. Bio fandom unfortunately often responds with tantrums screaming that we're lying for pointing out things with footage, screenshots, text dumps with translations attached to them to help get things across that have been completely edited. Then whenever there's news out like the stage shows, certain sites also like to lift the translations without credit (Rely on Horror tends to do it a lot to my friend's blog or Twitter feeds, which is annoying as my friend also is involved with Pokemon stuff and the same sort of thing happens but on the Pokemon side of things - people at least edit in credits, it hasn't happened on the Bio side). So a lot more could be known, but with how it usually is.... not particularly inspiring to willing do stuff for free for people after the fact. I'm blocked by Rely on Horror for calling them out on unsourced posts, so yeah. The RE fandom is utterly horrible though, so I don't blame you for feeling that way. FF isn't as bad about it, because you can understand most of the game and the story without having to consult the JP version every hour because you're lost. With the exception of XV and the Chapter 13 plot twist about a certain someone's past. You may know the one, and in the English version it makes no sense. Yeah, they lift the translations of press pieces on stuff like the stage show and so-on from my friend's blog and then that ends up over on Kotaku. I've had the same thing happen in the past, also had someone steal some fan art I did, manipulate it and include it in their own piece of fan art and got blocked over there for simply pointing it out as the art post was touting the person's attention to detail when it was actually mine. Still, not like that sort of thing isn't anything new. In all honesty I either get sent hatemail from people, or I get people sending me rude messages demanding stuff. I tend to not bother checking my e-mails and the like due to it. At some stage I'll be posting up completely new translations of the Umbrella Chronicles novels (checked from both JP, GER copies) with some accompanying renders of the scenes. I've been working on modelling replicas of Albert's command room from 4/UC and other stuff so I can at least show the cut content in motion. Mainly as I know a good portion of the fanbase seem to require visuals along with written details, so. Ah, the MT and Niff thing was one I spent a few days explaining to a friend of mine that only did the English version. I went through originally in English because I like Iggy's VA. I did switch it to JP occasionally, so I did notice a few things that weren't the same in general. For some of the throwaway lines like the idle ones, I think the jokes are fine. I will say that I think I prefer how the English side of it handled the last section (campfire scene) because of how a certain line is now seen in English in general. At least the plot mostly makes sense, the Bio one at times doesn't. Like REV2 makes it look like Alex is wanting to become a god, when it's actually Neil and that Alex is out for revenge against Claire when that's not the case. Alex is rather all over the place, but it ultimately comes back to things with her, Albert and to a certain extent, Spencer too. Claire is also kind of all over the place too as the English side forces this awkward romantic context to Claire and Neil that's just not there, Claire is basically having PTSD problems that date back to Rockfort (which we've known about since Gun Survivor 2, despite it being kind of ignored in Degeneration) and it would've been really clear had the original start to the game been kept in the Prologue that was cut. Needing to use a lighter to get out of the cellblock area and working with Gina, until ultimately she ended up getting killed too. She ultimately is being put in a morally grey position in REV2, in comparison to say... Chris. Claire didn't make the remark that Gabe made in Episode 2, because originally in Episode 2 he chose to argue with Alex about Kafka and that she was interpreting the writing completely wrong. Claire says something along the lines of "I'm sorry to keep you (all) waiting!" as they also cut out of REV2 the fact that Moira and Barry both bicker with Claire on the subject of feeling bad about what's happened and ultimately led to the events of REV2. It's in the game data, in the subtitles and the like too. There's also scrapped voice over in some sections of the game that correspond to the cut dialogue, but not all of it remains in the versions I've looked at. Ultimately, it would've made a lot more sense and help shed some light on certain things, while making the connections very clear despite things having been cut before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 16:13:44 GMT 10
I'm blocked by Rely on Horror for calling them out on unsourced posts, so yeah. The RE fandom is utterly horrible though, so I don't blame you for feeling that way. FF isn't as bad about it, because you can understand most of the game and the story without having to consult the JP version every hour because you're lost. With the exception of XV and the Chapter 13 plot twist about a certain someone's past. You may know the one, and in the English version it makes no sense. Yeah, they lift the translations of press pieces on stuff like the stage show and so-on from my friend's blog and then that ends up over on Kotaku. I've had the same thing happen in the past, also had someone steal some fan art I did, manipulate it and include it in their own piece of fan art and got blocked over there for simply pointing it out as the art post was touting the person's attention to detail when it was actually mine. Still, not like that sort of thing isn't anything new. In all honesty I either get sent hatemail from people, or I get people sending me rude messages demanding stuff. I tend to not bother checking my e-mails and the like due to it. At some stage I'll be posting up completely new translations of the Umbrella Chronicles novels (checked from both JP, GER copies) with some accompanying renders of the scenes. I've been working on modelling replicas of Albert's command room from 4/UC and other stuff so I can at least show the cut content in motion. Mainly as I know a good portion of the fanbase seem to require visuals along with written details, so. Ah, the MT and Niff thing was one I spent a few days explaining to a friend of mine that only did the English version. I went through originally in English because I like Iggy's VA. I did switch it to JP occasionally, so I did notice a few things that weren't the same in general. For some of the throwaway lines like the idle ones, I think the jokes are fine. I will say that I think I prefer how the English side of it handled the last section (campfire scene) because of how a certain line is now seen in English in general. At least the plot mostly makes sense, the Bio one at times doesn't. Like REV2 makes it look like Alex is wanting to become a god, when it's actually Neil and that Alex is out for revenge against Claire when that's not the case. Alex is rather all over the place, but it ultimately comes back to things with her, Albert and to a certain extent, Spencer too. Claire is also kind of all over the place too as the English side forces this awkward romantic context to Claire and Neil that's just not there, Claire is basically having PTSD problems that date back to Rockfort (which we've known about since Gun Survivor 2, despite it being kind of ignored in Degeneration) and it would've been really clear had the original start to the game been kept in the Prologue that was cut. Needing to use a lighter to get out of the cellblock area and working with Gina, until ultimately she ended up getting killed too. She ultimately is being put in a morally grey position in REV2, in comparison to say... Chris. Claire didn't make the remark that Gabe made in Episode 2, because originally in Episode 2 he chose to argue with Alex about Kafka and that she was interpreting the writing completely wrong. Claire says something along the lines of "I'm sorry to keep you (all) waiting!" as they also cut out of REV2 the fact that Moira and Barry both bicker with Claire on the subject of feeling bad about what's happened and ultimately led to the events of REV2. It's in the game data, in the subtitles and the like too. There's also scrapped voice over in some sections of the game that correspond to the cut dialogue, but not all of it remains in the versions I've looked at. Ultimately, it would've made a lot more sense and help shed some light on certain things, while making the connections very clear despite things having been cut before. That REV2 stuff is... yikes. WTH, Capcom? Regardless, I prefer the English campfire scene too. "You guys... are the best" feels more in line with Noctis' awkward characterisation than saying it outright. The MT thing bugged me tho. His naivety and constant questioning in the game make the MT reveal make SO much more sense (He wasn't exactly given a normal upbringing) but in the ENG version? Puns puns puns btw I'm a weapon of war puns puns.
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Post by Overseer on Feb 9, 2017 16:39:12 GMT 10
That REV2 stuff is... yikes. WTH, Capcom? Regardless, I prefer the English campfire scene too. "You guys... are the best" feels more in line with Noctis' awkward characterisation than saying it outright. The MT thing bugged me tho. His naivety and constant questioning in the game make the MT reveal make SO much more sense (He wasn't exactly given a normal upbringing) but in the ENG version? Puns puns puns btw I'm a weapon of war puns puns. Yeah, you're telling me about it. It makes a lot of sense when you see that the immortality project is referenced to have been Albert's project specifically for Alex, and the immortality stuff is outright mentioned in Umbrella Chronicles too but in English we got "She must like me!" instead of "So you're immortal, but you're not perfect (for)..." and that Alex is continually circling around the blame of what eventually happened as being on her, but also being unable to accept it as such. Hell, the Wesker Report remake even has Albert outright reference Alex's immortality/transfer project by it's name at the end of it. So it's something I'm just a tad bothered about as it completely botches what is a decent thematic in REV2 with Alex, and makes her very faux dramatic instead with little to no reasoning for it. Like the English side of things, during the fight with Alex unless you're aware of Kafka's books the "I was supposed to be Grete, not you!" makes absolutely no sense because the details regarding the Samsas and The Metamorphosis got completely cut out! I can only really say that at least things weren't changed out for music references, glancing at Alyson Court's involvement with one of the translators at the time with the Rockman/Megaman stuff.... Though on the side of 7, I guess we have to wait and see if anything gets included in the DLC but at the current stage there doesn't really even seem to be much to manage to stuff up as it is. Not a lot in general, there's only like what.... currently 32 files in contrast to REV2 having off the top of my head 50 or so, not counting the secret files unlocked by finding stuff. On the XV bit: yeah, that's for sure. Also in the fact that Ray/Noct's ENG VA did outright mention he was crying when recording it as he grew attached to the characters. Yeah, I figured it was that and to a certain extent regarding the other character as we have a mirroring in a plot-line that mentions the same name that's getting borrowed but it's completely lost in the English side of things. The back and forth does certainly make more sense in the JP side, and with the general reaction being in the same line of what we see with the initial encounter with things in the anime too. Would be nice if it's resolved in the DLC, but I'm not holding out much hope. At the very least the FF fandom did immediately key in on that difference for the most part.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 16:59:09 GMT 10
That REV2 stuff is... yikes. WTH, Capcom? Regardless, I prefer the English campfire scene too. "You guys... are the best" feels more in line with Noctis' awkward characterisation than saying it outright. The MT thing bugged me tho. His naivety and constant questioning in the game make the MT reveal make SO much more sense (He wasn't exactly given a normal upbringing) but in the ENG version? Puns puns puns btw I'm a weapon of war puns puns. Yeah, you're telling me about it. It makes a lot of sense when you see that the immortality project is referenced to have been Albert's project specifically for Alex, and the immortality stuff is outright mentioned in Umbrella Chronicles too but in English we got "She must like me!" instead of "So you're immortal, but you're not perfect (for)..." and that Alex is continually circling around the blame of what eventually happened as being on her, but also being unable to accept it as such. Hell, the Wesker Report remake even has Albert outright reference Alex's immortality/transfer project by it's name at the end of it. So it's something I'm just a tad bothered about as it completely botches what is a decent thematic in REV2 with Alex, and makes her very faux dramatic instead with little to no reasoning for it. Like the English side of things, during the fight with Alex unless you're aware of Kafka's books the "I was supposed to be Grete, not you!" makes absolutely no sense because the details regarding the Samsas and The Metamorphosis got completely cut out! I can only really say that at least things weren't changed out for music references, glancing at Alyson Court's involvement with one of the translators at the time with the Rockman/Megaman stuff.... Though on the side of 7, I guess we have to wait and see if anything gets included in the DLC but at the current stage there doesn't really even seem to be much to manage to stuff up as it is. Not a lot in general, there's only like what.... currently 32 files in contrast to REV2 having off the top of my head 50 or so, not counting the secret files unlocked by finding stuff. On the XV bit: yeah, that's for sure. Also in the fact that Ray/Noct's ENG VA did outright mention he was crying when recording it as he grew attached to the characters. Yeah, I figured it was that and to a certain extent regarding the other character as we have a mirroring in a plot-line that mentions the same name that's getting borrowed but it's completely lost in the English side of things. The back and forth does certainly make more sense in the JP side, and with the general reaction being in the same line of what we see with the initial encounter with things in the anime too. Would be nice if it's resolved in the DLC, but I'm not holding out much hope. At the very least the FF fandom did immediately key in on that difference for the most part. It always bugged me that they cut out some things, but not all. Like the Grete line. Why cut out everything BUT that? I doubt 7's DLC will clear much up. "Not A Hero" seems to be the only one that might. Anyway, as you mentioned earlier, it's strange how FF and RE are both Japanese franchises, but FF embraces and welcomes info from the JP version whereas the RE fandom despises it.
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Post by Overseer on Feb 9, 2017 17:10:19 GMT 10
It always bugged me that they cut out some things, but not all. Like the Grete line. Why cut out everything BUT that? I doubt 7's DLC will clear much up. "Not A Hero" seems to be the only one that might. Anyway, as you mentioned earlier, it's strange how FF and RE are both Japanese franchises, but FF embraces and welcomes info from the JP version whereas the RE fandom despises it. I have no idea why it's the way it is. We could probably do a full wiki, but it'd likely be consolidated & locked down to the site because of the general Wikia fuckery that goes on. It's just unfortunately with how the fandom is, just doesn't really motivate any of us to go out of our way to do things anymore. Would be interesting, but given the "Not A Hero" one is the freebie, I'm not holding out much hope as I'm also still expecting a Complete release of 7 given it's Capcom we're talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 17:19:31 GMT 10
It always bugged me that they cut out some things, but not all. Like the Grete line. Why cut out everything BUT that? I doubt 7's DLC will clear much up. "Not A Hero" seems to be the only one that might. Anyway, as you mentioned earlier, it's strange how FF and RE are both Japanese franchises, but FF embraces and welcomes info from the JP version whereas the RE fandom despises it. I have no idea why it's the way it is. We could probably do a full wiki, but it'd likely be consolidated & locked down to the site because of the general Wikia fuckery that goes on. It's just unfortunately with how the fandom is, just doesn't really motivate any of us to go out of our way to do things anymore. Would be interesting, but given the "Not A Hero" one is the freebie, I'm not holding out much hope as I'm also still expecting a Complete release of 7 given it's Capcom we're talking about. Don't forget that even if you did all of the work, you'd still run the risk of a Wikia staff member going ape and removing your bureaucrat privileges because they don't like you. Happened to me. Can't wait for RE7: "It Makes Sense, Kinda" edition.
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Post by Overseer on Feb 9, 2017 17:33:48 GMT 10
I have no idea why it's the way it is. We could probably do a full wiki, but it'd likely be consolidated & locked down to the site because of the general Wikia fuckery that goes on. It's just unfortunately with how the fandom is, just doesn't really motivate any of us to go out of our way to do things anymore. Would be interesting, but given the "Not A Hero" one is the freebie, I'm not holding out much hope as I'm also still expecting a Complete release of 7 given it's Capcom we're talking about. Don't forget that even if you did all of the work, you'd still run the risk of a Wikia staff member going ape and removing your bureaucrat privileges because they don't like you. Happened to me. Can't wait for RE7: "It Makes Sense, Kinda" edition. Yeah, whenever I sort out new (and cheaper) hosting I'll probably install some wiki stuff server-side to keep a lid on it and get the info down the correct way with all of the references, origins sourced out properly. I had one on my site before, but another fandom Wikia kept lifting everything like scans and so-on from my site so I've been avoiding redoing my site, hosting though I still retain my domain names. Really at this stage, just makes me more concerned for the Bio2 remake that we've still not heard or seen anything about in comparison to 7. Though I don't get how people were misled by the marketing, I know it was repeatedly pointed out by people that the exact same marketing statements and blurbs have been used the past few games in the series.
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Post by SAMI on Feb 9, 2017 17:43:47 GMT 10
Damn, what just happened here lol?
All I asked for was 3rd person cam. And it started a storm lol.
By the way, I just figured, RE7 has frame pacin issues if FPS isnt locked to that of refresh rate.
I got microstutters when I set by fps to variable+ Vsync.
But tyeres no m8crostutter with 60fps lock+59.84hz+Vsync. Everythings smooth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 18:59:33 GMT 10
Don't forget that even if you did all of the work, you'd still run the risk of a Wikia staff member going ape and removing your bureaucrat privileges because they don't like you. Happened to me. Can't wait for RE7: "It Makes Sense, Kinda" edition. Yeah, whenever I sort out new (and cheaper) hosting I'll probably install some wiki stuff server-side to keep a lid on it and get the info down the correct way with all of the references, origins sourced out properly. I had one on my site before, but another fandom Wikia kept lifting everything like scans and so-on from my site so I've been avoiding redoing my site, hosting though I still retain my domain names. Really at this stage, just makes me more concerned for the Bio2 remake that we've still not heard or seen anything about in comparison to 7. Though I don't get how people were misled by the marketing, I know it was repeatedly pointed out by people that the exact same marketing statements and blurbs have been used the past few games in the series.Funnily enough if you go to the early pages of the thread, I made a post along the lines of "Capcom have been using "go back to the series roots" since RE5". I was not wrong that they were lying.
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Post by Overseer on Feb 9, 2017 19:04:05 GMT 10
Yeah, whenever I sort out new (and cheaper) hosting I'll probably install some wiki stuff server-side to keep a lid on it and get the info down the correct way with all of the references, origins sourced out properly. I had one on my site before, but another fandom Wikia kept lifting everything like scans and so-on from my site so I've been avoiding redoing my site, hosting though I still retain my domain names. Really at this stage, just makes me more concerned for the Bio2 remake that we've still not heard or seen anything about in comparison to 7. Though I don't get how people were misled by the marketing, I know it was repeatedly pointed out by people that the exact same marketing statements and blurbs have been used the past few games in the series.Funnily enough if you go to the early pages of the thread, I made a post along the lines of "Capcom have been using "go back to the series roots" since RE5". I was not wrong that they were lying. I know, I saw your post and vocally exclaimed to a friend that I was glad that someone else was sane and had noticed it! They've reused the same marketing blurb far too many times, I really would've expected more people to have caught onto it by now. It really just... does my head in. It the game had been branded as a CT or HG game, then it likely wouldn't have been so much of a bother to me but the fact that it wasn't is just frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 19:24:02 GMT 10
Funnily enough if you go to the early pages of the thread, I made a post along the lines of "Capcom have been using "go back to the series roots" since RE5". I was not wrong that they were lying. They've reused the same marketing blurb far too many times, I really would've expected more people to have caught onto it by now. It really just... does my head in. It the game had been branded as a CT or HG game, then it likely wouldn't have been so much of a bother to me but the fact that it wasn't is just frustrating. Heh, you flatter me. For real though it's tiring. I swear Capcom have memory issues or something. They've been back to their roots so many times I'm convinced they're staffed by botanists.
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Post by Overseer on Feb 10, 2017 1:13:07 GMT 10
I know, I saw your post and vocally exclaimed to a friend that I was glad that someone else was sane and had noticed it!They've reused the same marketing blurb far too many times, I really would've expected more people to have caught onto it by now. It really just... does my head in. It the game had been branded as a CT or HG game, then it likely wouldn't have been so much of a bother to me but the fact that it wasn't is just frustrating. Heh, you flatter me. For real though it's tiring. I swear Capcom have memory issues or something. They've been back to their roots so many times I'm convinced they're staffed by botanists. Pfffft! I wasn't expecting to wake up from a nap and laugh my head off, but I did. Yeah, I've just been unsure if it's simply been particularly noticeable to me as I end up with press kits ranging from release statements to other junk, discs and so-on. If the next one uses the exact same marketing blurb, I'll be particularly inclined to take photos, screenshots to make a point of it being the same again. Wouldn't be the first time I've made up a "wall of shame" related to Capcom stuff with small notes and source references on what was said, and the result of it.
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Post by mariostako19891992 on Feb 10, 2017 1:15:16 GMT 10
So it took me a full 8 minutes to actually understand any of that. Nothing you say is worth responding to, just overly stretched arguments that don't have much relevance to the topic I'm discussing. What does cheese dialogue, ability to hit head shots, HP, and atmosphere have to do with "None of the RE protagonists are civilians" and "People praise RE7 for the wrong thing". I give up with you. yeah sorry if you cant understand english. but the classic resident evil games was always about vulnerable heroes<<claire was a civilian you like it or not its a fact even if she is trained to kill its not her speciallity,also leon a rookie cop in the first day on the job, steve burnside >>item management, atmosphere,mystery,conspiracy,and hellish mutations <<SURVIVAL HORROR>>.there is nothing about if the hero was a steroid punching rocks chris rambo or jill simple.i will be happy if capcom kill all the old heroes just for some kids. also resident evil 7 is praised on how awesome game it is you like it or not its A REAL ,PURE,resident evil game, and yes its back to home,like the classics,and the house is like the spencer mansion .so i give up with you too  mister.have a nice day.
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Post by Overseer on Feb 10, 2017 1:50:41 GMT 10
So it took me a full 8 minutes to actually understand any of that. Nothing you say is worth responding to, just overly stretched arguments that don't have much relevance to the topic I'm discussing. What does cheese dialogue, ability to hit head shots, HP, and atmosphere have to do with "None of the RE protagonists are civilians" and "People praise RE7 for the wrong thing". I give up with you. yeah sorry if you cant understand english. but the classic resident evil games was always about vulnerable heroes<<claire was a civilian you like it or not its a fact>>item management, atmosphere,mystery,conspiracy,and hellish mutations <<SURVIVAL HORROR>>.there is nothing about if the hero was steroid chris or jill simple.also resident evil 7 is praised on how awesome game it is you like it or not, and yes its back to home.so i give up with you too mr clever person. Playable characters of the series with combat training or self defense training: Chris Redfield Jill Valentine Barry Burton Rebecca Chambers Richard Aiken Albert Wesker Billy Coen Claire Redfield <- Has been officially stated to have been trained by her brother, has also been trained further by Piers for handling sniper rifles among other things at a BSAA post. Impossible to state she's purely a civilian. Leon S. Kennedy Ada Wong HUNK / Grim Reaper, also incorrectly localized as "Mr. Death". Carlos Oliveira Mikhail Viktor Nikolai Zinoviev Alfred Ashford Rodrigo Juan Raval Jack Krauser Sheva Alomar Josh Stone Parker Luciani Rachel Foley Quint Cetcham Keith Lumley Morgan Lansdale Clive O'Brien Raymond Vester Jessica Sherawat Neil Fisher Alex Wesker <- Wesker Project subjects have been repeatedly stated to have been physically conditioned & trained. Gabriel "Gabe" Chavez Sherry Birkin <- Has now been trained, so this now counters Sherry's original appearance in the series due to her work in 6. Helena Harper Jake Muller Piers Nivans Bruce McGivern Fon Ling 3-A7 Lupo Vector Spectre Four Eyes Bertha Beltway Dee-Ay Willow Party Girl Shona Harley Tweed Night Hawk + Umbrella Corps grunts Then if we go into Outbreak: Marvin Branagh Mark Wilkins Officer Rita Officer Harry Officer Andy Officer Jean Officer Erik Officer Fred K-9 Unit Officer Tony USS Derek USS Luke USS Conrad UBCS Commander Arnold UBCS Mac Dowell UBCS Dustin UBCS Billy UBCS Karl UBCS Matt And now the actual Civvies! Sherry Birkin No longer included as she has now had combat training, only applies to Bio2 original appearance. Steve Burnside Alexia Ashford <- Unlike Alfred, no statements have been made given combat training, assume to simply be a researcher instead. Luis Sera Ashley Graham Excella Gionne Natalia Korda <- Technically doesn't count for this given REV2's plotline with the Alex connections. Moira Burton Pedro Fernandez Gina Foley Ark Thompson Evgeny Rebic Carla Radames Lucia from Gaiden doesn't count, as the exact same thing was done with Evie in 7. I can go and list the rest but the only way the list surpasses anything is if you could every playable civilian in the Outbreak series, which are for the record considered SPIN OFFS. Even with the Outbreak ones, there's 43 and that's only if you consider the rest of the Umbrella staff to have not been given any sort of combat training, which for the record the majority of them seem to have been given unless they were specifically within the Research & Development division as we know Raccoon had the majority of the Intelligence division staff/characters there. So ones like William Birkin, Alexia Ashford likely have no combat or self defense training, but others like Monica and whatnot have been seen to know how to handle weapons and set up explosives among other things. So, that then cuts the list down to the 20s, nearly 30 something for civilian characters. For the trained ones, that's still closer to 50 if they're tallied up. It's still nowhere close even when you include the films, or the 7 characters. If a certain character was also lying about their actual profession in 7, then they fall into the Umbrella staff category and was likely trained despite what they've said and the capability to handle weaponry and so-on is there too with that in mind as well.
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Post by mariostako19891992 on Feb 10, 2017 1:58:58 GMT 10
yeah sorry if you cant understand english. but the classic resident evil games was always about vulnerable heroes<<claire was a civilian you like it or not its a fact>>item management, atmosphere,mystery,conspiracy,and hellish mutations <<SURVIVAL HORROR>>.there is nothing about if the hero was steroid chris or jill simple.also resident evil 7 is praised on how awesome game it is you like it or not, and yes its back to home.so i give up with you too mr clever person. Playable characters of the series with combat training or self defense training: Chris Redfield Jill Valentine Barry Burton Rebecca Chambers Richard Aiken Albert Wesker Billy Coen Claire Redfield <- Has been officially stated to have been trained by her brother, has also been trained further by Piers for handling sniper rifles among other things at a BSAA post. Impossible to state she's purely a civilian. Leon S. Kennedy Ada Wong HUNK / Grim Reaper, also incorrectly localized as "Mr. Death". Carlos Oliveira Mikhail Viktor Nikolai Zinoviev Alfred Ashford Rodrigo Juan Raval Jack Krauser Sheva Alomar Josh Stone Parker Luciani Rachel Foley Quint Cetcham Keith Lumley Morgan Lansdale Clive O'Brien Raymond Vester Jessica Sherawat Neil Fisher Alex Wesker <- Wesker Project subjects have been repeatedly stated to have been physically conditioned & trained. Gabriel "Gabe" Chavez Sherry Birkin <- Has now been trained, so this now counters Sherry's original appearance in the series due to her work in 6. Helena Harper Jake Muller Piers Nivans Bruce McGivern Fon Ling 3-A7 Lupo Vector Spectre Four Eyes Bertha Beltway Dee-Ay Willow Party Girl Shona Harley Tweed Night Hawk + Umbrella Corps grunts Then if we go into Outbreak: Marvin Branagh Mark Wilkins Officer Rita Officer Harry Officer Andy Officer Jean Officer Erik Officer Fred K-9 Unit Officer Tony USS Derek USS Luke USS Conrad UBCS Commander Arnold UBCS Mac Dowell UBCS Dustin UBCS Billy UBCS Karl UBCS Matt And now the actual Civvies! Sherry Birkin No longer included as she has now had combat training, only applies to Bio2 original appearance. Steve Burnside Alexia Ashford <- Unlike Alfred, no statements have been made given combat training, assume to simply be a researcher instead. Luis Sera Ashley Graham Excella Gionne Natalia Korda <- Technically doesn't count for this given REV2's plotline with the Alex connections. Moira Burton Pedro Fernandez Gina Foley Ark Thompson Evgeny Rebic Carla Radames Lucia from Gaiden doesn't count, as the exact same thing was done with Evie in 7. I can go and list the rest but the only way the list surpasses anything is if you could every playable civilian in the Outbreak series, which are for the record considered SPIN OFFS. Even with the Outbreak ones, there's 43 and that's only if you consider the rest of the Umbrella staff to have not been given any sort of combat training, which for the record the majority of them seem to have been given unless they were specifically within the Research & Development division as we know Raccoon had the majority of the Intelligence division staff/characters there. So ones like William Birkin, Alexia Ashford likely have no combat or self defense training, but others like Monica and whatnot have been seen to know how to handle weapons and set up explosives among other things. So, that then cuts the list down to the 20s, nearly 30 something for civilian characters. For the trained ones, that's still closer to 50 if they're tallied up. It's still nowhere close even when you include the films, or the 7 characters. If a certain character was also lying about their actual profession in 7, then they fall into the Umbrella staff category and was likely trained despite what they've said and the capability to handle weaponry and so-on is there too with that in mind as well. wow wtf all the resident evil wikia is here,can you at least edit resident evil wikia cause that was awesome  
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mister.have a nice day.
,and GAMER for a long time so i wanna learn about the mods stuff and new ideas 
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