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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 12:46:04 GMT 10
Capcom writing. Only Raccoon City happened in the media, everything else is negligible at best. See, I've always thought Capcom has done a pretty decent job of world-building, such as the American President resigning in disgrace after the destruction of Raccoon City, the US spearheading the coalition of the willing against BOW warfare with the FBC, and American and Russian cooperation in the Eastern Slav Republic. I don't really feel like this is so much just par for the course for Capcom as really disappointingly bad writing from a team that's usually pretty on the ball. Everything you listed is actually due to Raccoon City, and maybe RE4. A lot of stuff is never mentioned. Hell, there was the RE6 incidents that NEVER get brought up either.
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Post by Johnny Valentine on Feb 9, 2017 12:47:49 GMT 10
So, anyway. I'm curious if anyone else spotted a file or background note I missed, but I realized something after going through the tanker the second time. Namely, that this thing is frakking huge. And clearly an oil tanker. So my question is this: how the fuck does an oil tanker that big run aground in Louisiana and no one fucking notice? I know we have some other American in this thread. Do you remember the BP Oil Spill? Do you remember what a dog and pony show that was? Did I just miss a file, or did Capcom not ever mention why no one responded to what would've surely been an ecological disaster on par in-universe with the destruction of Raccoon City almost twenty years earlier? Capcom writing. Only Raccoon City happened in the media, everything else is negligible at best. hmmmm What about Terragrigia,Kijuju, Edonia, the sub, China?? I remember something was mentoned on the news (into the respective games)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 12:49:14 GMT 10
Capcom writing. Only Raccoon City happened in the media, everything else is negligible at best. hmmmm What about Terragrigia,Kijuju, Edonia, the sub, China?? I remember something was mentoned on the news (into the respective games)I absolutely remember nothing about Terragrigia outside the Revelations series. That, and I was mostly saying "Raccoon City gets more attention than everything else, which gets throwaway mentions at worst". Edonia is only referenced within RE6 too.
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Post by Johnny Valentine on Feb 9, 2017 12:54:52 GMT 10
hmmmm What about Terragrigia,Kijuju, Edonia, the sub, China?? I remember something was mentoned on the news (into the respective games) I absolutely remember nothing about Terragrigia outside the Revelations series. That, and I was mostly saying "Raccoon City gets more attention than everything else, which gets throwaway mentions at worst". Edonia is only referenced within RE6 too. I know, but they mentioned it.... on Rev2 they mentioned, Terragrigia, Uroboros RE5 and something pops up on the news about china if I remember correctly RE6 but dont remember exactly what :v
but yes Raccoon city is the main subject... what gaves me the crazy idea that all this crap we recived is just an Alice Dream!
ROFL...OK NO!
just sayig u r right and I hate they did that
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Post by A Jaded Lizard on Feb 9, 2017 13:26:14 GMT 10
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Post by A Jaded Lizard on Feb 9, 2017 13:28:50 GMT 10
See, I've always thought Capcom has done a pretty decent job of world-building, such as the American President resigning in disgrace after the destruction of Raccoon City, the US spearheading the coalition of the willing against BOW warfare with the FBC, and American and Russian cooperation in the Eastern Slav Republic. I don't really feel like this is so much just par for the course for Capcom as really disappointingly bad writing from a team that's usually pretty on the ball. Everything you listed is actually due to Raccoon City, and maybe RE4. A lot of stuff is never mentioned. Hell, there was the RE6 incidents that NEVER get brought up either. Okay, I see what you're saying then. Re7 has some window dressing attempts at tying to the rest of the series, such as the article Alyssa wrote about the disappearances in Dulvey, or finding Clive's book in the Baker house, but it would be interesting to learn more about the global war against bioterror the Western powers and Russia have apparently been waging for fifteen years by this point. I wish Capcom would've included the timeline they had in Re5 here, if for no other reason than because it makes keeping track of what's going on easier.
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Post by Overseer on Feb 9, 2017 14:31:37 GMT 10
hmmmm What about Terragrigia,Kijuju, Edonia, the sub, China?? I remember something was mentoned on the news (into the respective games) I absolutely remember nothing about Terragrigia outside the Revelations series. That, and I was mostly saying "Raccoon City gets more attention than everything else, which gets throwaway mentions at worst". Edonia is only referenced within RE6 too. Terragrigia was originally supposed to happen at the end of Umbrella Chronicles (there's stuff in UC that remains despite the cutscenes getting cut), it also is referenced in the novels (which were based off the actual game script). It's this particular connection on one side of things (Both Weskers) is why it got brought up again repeatedly, but it's not super clear on the English side due to some localization fuckery again. Revelations is the follow up to this, the stuff happening in 5 was also referenced in the early stages of it within Heroes Never Die/Dead Aim, but the references got cut in the English (and subsequently the European) localizations. I don't remember enough about 6 in either language as I've never played through it sober, but the only ones from 6 mentioned elsewhere are Tall Oaks and the China incidents - Revelations 2 and also in Heavenly Island, to a smaller side in Umbrella Corps too off the top of my head due to the mercenary divisions. Damnation was mentioned on a radio in REV2 as well. I haven't seen any detailed files from 7 that went into much, the only file that caught my attention was on the mention of H.C.F. and the dates matching up to post CV, pre-DSC Operation Javier timeframe and it corresponding to chatter from the infected in Umbrella Corps. A friend of mine from the actual region where 7 is set was more or less yelling that "How the hell would this not get noticed?! How did they even get it there?!" when she saw that section of the game. She was excited to see her region used for the setting, but not particularly impressed in the execution beyond the character's speech patterns and the like. If there was any game that tied into things across the series, it's actually REV2 as it ties in with a lot of things in the series and it makes a lot of stuff make perfect sense when you can recognize it all.
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Post by A Jaded Lizard on Feb 9, 2017 14:42:30 GMT 10
I absolutely remember nothing about Terragrigia outside the Revelations series. That, and I was mostly saying "Raccoon City gets more attention than everything else, which gets throwaway mentions at worst". Edonia is only referenced within RE6 too. Terragrigia was originally supposed to happen at the end of Umbrella Chronicles (there's stuff in UC that remains despite the cutscenes getting cut), it also is referenced in the novels (which were based off the actual game script). It's this particular connection on one side of things (Both Weskers) is why it got brought up again repeatedly, but it's not super clear on the English side due to some localization fuckery again. Revelations is the follow up to this, the stuff happening in 5 was also referenced in the early stages of it within Heroes Never Die/Dead Aim, but the references got cut in the English (and subsequently the European) localizations. I don't remember enough about 6 in either language as I've never played through it sober, but the only ones from 6 mentioned elsewhere are Tall Oaks and the China incidents - Revelations 2 and also in Heavenly Island, to a smaller side in Umbrella Corps too off the top of my head due to the mercenary divisions. Damnation was mentioned on a radio in REV2 as well. I haven't seen any detailed files from 7 that went into much, the only file that caught my attention was on the mention of H.C.F. and the dates matching up to post CV, pre-DSC Operation Javier timeframe and it corresponding to chatter from the infected in Umbrella Corps. A friend of mine from the actual region where 7 is set was more or less yelling that "How the hell would this not get noticed?! How did they even get it there?!" when she saw that section of the game. She was excited to see her region used for the setting, but not particularly impressed in the execution beyond the character's speech patterns and the like. If there was any game that tied into things across the series, it's actually REV2 as it ties in with a lot of things in the series and it makes a lot of stuff make perfect sense when you can recognize it all. Which novels are you referring to, because the SD Perry novels barely connected to the main series by the end. (Seriously, Zero Hour has an author's note at the beginning which is basically "Whelp, Capcom's continuity fucked me, but I really can't be bothered to try fixing it so here's this instead"). Are you talking about the Japanese novels? I've never really done much research on them, namely because it's mostly through the wiki and I lose IQ points whenever I visit that (seriously, those people are stupid). That's cool you have friends from the bayou; my aunt is from there as well, but absolutely doesn't sound anything like any characters in the game; of course, Zoe's accent comes and goes quite often (like a good Karma Chameleon), while Ethan, Mia, and the others all have the generic "Anywhere, USA" Midwestern accents most protagonists have in this series (given that a popular fan theory posits the game centers on Southern Missouri, Eastern Oklahoma, and Northern Arkansas, aka, where I live, this amuses me). Do we have any idea where the Winters are supposed to be from?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 14:45:18 GMT 10
Terragrigia was originally supposed to happen at the end of Umbrella Chronicles (there's stuff in UC that remains despite the cutscenes getting cut), it also is referenced in the novels (which were based off the actual game script). It's this particular connection on one side of things (Both Weskers) is why it got brought up again repeatedly, but it's not super clear on the English side due to some localization fuckery again. Revelations is the follow up to this, the stuff happening in 5 was also referenced in the early stages of it within Heroes Never Die/Dead Aim, but the references got cut in the English (and subsequently the European) localizations. I don't remember enough about 6 in either language as I've never played through it sober, but the only ones from 6 mentioned elsewhere are Tall Oaks and the China incidents - Revelations 2 and also in Heavenly Island, to a smaller side in Umbrella Corps too off the top of my head due to the mercenary divisions. Damnation was mentioned on a radio in REV2 as well. I haven't seen any detailed files from 7 that went into much, the only file that caught my attention was on the mention of H.C.F. and the dates matching up to post CV, pre-DSC Operation Javier timeframe and it corresponding to chatter from the infected in Umbrella Corps. A friend of mine from the actual region where 7 is set was more or less yelling that "How the hell would this not get noticed?! How did they even get it there?!" when she saw that section of the game. She was excited to see her region used for the setting, but not particularly impressed in the execution beyond the character's speech patterns and the like. If there was any game that tied into things across the series, it's actually REV2 as it ties in with a lot of things in the series and it makes a lot of stuff make perfect sense when you can recognize it all. I've never really done much research on them, namely because it's mostly through the wiki and I lose IQ points whenever I visit that (seriously, those people are stupid). Glad someone else agrees. RE has one of the worst wikias.
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Post by A Jaded Lizard on Feb 9, 2017 15:00:50 GMT 10
I've never really done much research on them, namely because it's mostly through the wiki and I lose IQ points whenever I visit that (seriously, those people are stupid). Glad someone else agrees. RE has one of the worst wikias. I used to be a major contributor there but left a hop, skip, and a jump away from being banned after their mods decided it was a good move to have a separate page for the Samurai Edge in every game it appears in, or having something like nine different pages just titled "handgun" because it's just a coincidence the handguns in Re2 look just like a Browning Hi Power and VP-70M. They're also very unfriendly, to the point of being hostile, to the PC community, such as posting massive Re6 spoilers without warning within days of its release, and couldn't understand why that pissed me off, even after explaining it wasn't available on my platform at the time. There are other things too, such as blaming Capcom's lack of research in certain aspects on localizers, even when it's abundantly clear it's Capcom at fault (unless you want to make the argument whoever translated the game into English also took the trouble rerecord every single line in Re3, for instance), and their bizarre insistance on using the literal Japanese names for some characters (such as Chainsaw Ganado for Doctor Salvador and Axeman for the Executioner). I run a wiki, so I know it's not easy, but I've never been as out and out condescending toward contributors as they consistently were. It's a shame, because back in the days when I wrote fanfiction it was my favorite wikia, and the pages on the comic and SD Perry novel characters are still largely my work. RE is expansive enough to really make use of the wiki format, but it's so poorly run it's not worth it in a lot of places.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 15:11:05 GMT 10
I've ran a few wikis, forums, and other info sites. The RE wiki mods are some of the worst I've encountered in my time, purely because they're so stubborn about the stupidest shit (Like the handgun thing) that they drag the site to hell.
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Post by Overseer on Feb 9, 2017 15:25:54 GMT 10
Terragrigia was originally supposed to happen at the end of Umbrella Chronicles (there's stuff in UC that remains despite the cutscenes getting cut), it also is referenced in the novels (which were based off the actual game script). It's this particular connection on one side of things (Both Weskers) is why it got brought up again repeatedly, but it's not super clear on the English side due to some localization fuckery again. Revelations is the follow up to this, the stuff happening in 5 was also referenced in the early stages of it within Heroes Never Die/Dead Aim, but the references got cut in the English (and subsequently the European) localizations. I don't remember enough about 6 in either language as I've never played through it sober, but the only ones from 6 mentioned elsewhere are Tall Oaks and the China incidents - Revelations 2 and also in Heavenly Island, to a smaller side in Umbrella Corps too off the top of my head due to the mercenary divisions. Damnation was mentioned on a radio in REV2 as well. I haven't seen any detailed files from 7 that went into much, the only file that caught my attention was on the mention of H.C.F. and the dates matching up to post CV, pre-DSC Operation Javier timeframe and it corresponding to chatter from the infected in Umbrella Corps. A friend of mine from the actual region where 7 is set was more or less yelling that "How the hell would this not get noticed?! How did they even get it there?!" when she saw that section of the game. She was excited to see her region used for the setting, but not particularly impressed in the execution beyond the character's speech patterns and the like. If there was any game that tied into things across the series, it's actually REV2 as it ties in with a lot of things in the series and it makes a lot of stuff make perfect sense when you can recognize it all. Which novels are you referring to, because the SD Perry novels barely connected to the main series by the end. (Seriously, Zero Hour has an author's note at the beginning which is basically "Whelp, Capcom's continuity fucked me, but I really can't be bothered to try fixing it so here's this instead"). Are you talking about the Japanese novels? I've never really done much research on them, namely because it's mostly through the wiki and I lose IQ points whenever I visit that (seriously, those people are stupid). That's cool you have friends from the bayou; my aunt is from there as well, but absolutely doesn't sound anything like any characters in the game; of course, Zoe's accent comes and goes quite often (like a good Karma Chameleon), while Ethan, Mia, and the others all have the generic "Anywhere, USA" Midwestern accents most protagonists have in this series (given that a popular fan theory posits the game centers on Southern Missouri, Eastern Oklahoma, and Northern Arkansas, aka, where I live, this amuses me). Do we have any idea where the Winters are supposed to be from? No, I'm talking about the official ones written by Osamu Makino, which were based on the Umbrella Chronicles game script. I also have the stuff from Umbrella Chronicles dumped out and floating around my HDD, so I can post that up and the relevant pages from the novels. This includes the removed section in that basically, Terragrigia was to happen for Albert wanting to instill a fear of biological weaponry in terms of production and usage in the world as at this point in time, Raccoon City was still being covered up. Terragrigia also had Umbrella stuff made use of, so for the in-universe thing we can consider it being a fire being lit in the manhunt for Ozwell E. Spencer at the time. It also helps make further sense as to why Alex chose Phobos and had her obsession with fear in general too as she knows about Terragrigia entirely - it just doesn't make much sense in English as REV2 in English has Neil wanting to revive the FBC, he actually wants power and to rule the world in fear by causing more incidents. Alex outright retorted to him that basically "Wasn't one disaster enough?" regarding what happened with Terragrigia as from REV1, we know it was supposed to be contained but went south. The online translation I've seen people mention of the novels is actually missing sections and there's also a part I don't completely agree with the translation (there's a mention of ground water which makes no sense given both the JP and GER prints of the books and that I can read both just fine). I used to help out with Project Umbrella before a bit, but I got sick of the back and forth (and the broken layout with the choice to use Drupal too). Tend to avoid the Wikia as people from the Wikia frequently lift scans or photos from myself or a friend's blog too. The continuity problems beyond crappy naming schemes does actually come in on the US side of things repeatedly, like the amount of stuff basically censored out in REV2 from The Overseer/Alex's speech patterns is kind of clear and has been completely padded out with massive amounts of flourishing so you have some fairly different files and remarks made in Japanese and English. For instance, Alex shooting herself? She's talking about "Gregor" (Albert) and the connection to Kafka's works becomes very clear with this and the file that is read in the bedroom, so it explains it all rather clear enough without there being any mention whatsoever about her "being a god" and other bullshit like that which got added into the English, other regional language versions. Korean release is based off the Japanese one though. So there's certainly some problems on some fronts that can be entirely blamed on the translation & localization process, especially when there is no reasoning for removing it. The only possible reason that we've been able to come up with is that along with the other stuff that references REV2 (the remade JP Wesker's Report that got bundled in with Remake HD PS3) implies certain characters are/were involved and we apparently can't have that. I have a large part of the series in general pretty much memorized at this stage, as does my friend so we both generally go from memory on the series as it is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 15:30:38 GMT 10
Ah, localization issues, my old enemy. FFXV has the same issue too, in that a certain character's entire personality and plot twist makes no sense because they changed his ENTIRE MANNER OF SPEECH in the English version.
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Post by Overseer on Feb 9, 2017 15:42:15 GMT 10
Ah, localization issues, my old enemy. FFXV has the same issue too, in that a certain character's entire personality and plot twist makes no sense because they changed his ENTIRE MANNER OF SPEECH in the English version. I have yet to finish my JP playthrough but I do know what you're talking about. I know certain name connections were also lost, as were a few easter eggs (like the dog tags) and so-on. The only general difference is that the majority of the FF fandom knows at least in advance that there's always something in there to check and when in doubt, the German regional translation is often closer to the JP than the English one is if translation notes on the JP side are particularly slow to surface. Bio fandom unfortunately often responds with tantrums screaming that we're lying for pointing out things with footage, screenshots, text dumps with translations attached to them to help get things across that have been completely edited. Then whenever there's news out like the stage shows, certain sites also like to lift the translations without credit (Rely on Horror tends to do it a lot to my friend's blog or Twitter feeds, which is annoying as my friend also is involved with Pokemon stuff and the same sort of thing happens but on the Pokemon side of things - people at least edit in credits, it hasn't happened on the Bio side). So a lot more could be known, but with how it usually is.... not particularly inspiring to willing do stuff for free for people after the fact.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 15:48:08 GMT 10
Ah, localization issues, my old enemy. FFXV has the same issue too, in that a certain character's entire personality and plot twist makes no sense because they changed his ENTIRE MANNER OF SPEECH in the English version. I have yet to finish my JP playthrough but I do know what you're talking about. I know certain name connections were also lost, as were a few easter eggs (like the dog tags) and so-on. The only general difference is that the majority of the FF fandom knows at least in advance that there's always something in there to check and when in doubt, the German regional translation is often closer to the JP than the English one is if translation notes on the JP side are particularly slow to surface. Bio fandom unfortunately often responds with tantrums screaming that we're lying for pointing out things with footage, screenshots, text dumps with translations attached to them to help get things across that have been completely edited. Then whenever there's news out like the stage shows, certain sites also like to lift the translations without credit (Rely on Horror tends to do it a lot to my friend's blog or Twitter feeds, which is annoying as my friend also is involved with Pokemon stuff and the same sort of thing happens but on the Pokemon side of things - people at least edit in credits, it hasn't happened on the Bio side). So a lot more could be known, but with how it usually is.... not particularly inspiring to willing do stuff for free for people after the fact. I'm blocked by Rely on Horror for calling them out on unsourced posts, so yeah. The RE fandom is utterly horrible though, so I don't blame you for feeling that way. FF isn't as bad about it, because you can understand most of the game and the story without having to consult the JP version every hour because you're lost. With the exception of XV and the Chapter 13 plot twist about a certain someone's past. You may know the one, and in the English version it makes no sense.
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