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Post by MadTrump on Dec 11, 2019 22:22:18 GMT 10
All this talk about Julia Voth when all I want for Christmas is to get rid of Nemesis's piano key teeth and crooked nose lmao In all seriousness though I have always supported Julia to return as Jill's face. It's the face we've all come to know and love the past several years since REmake came out. And it was real crappy of CAPCOM to not bring her back even though she has expressed numerous times that she's very open to return as Jill. Maybe CAPCOM couldn't afford her a ticket to Japan? Or she wasn't available? It would be messed up if she was available but they didn't bother bringing her back. It's just as sad when Sienna Guillory wasn't even asked to come back as Jill for RE: The Final Chapter. In any case, as much as I'd miss Julia Voth and it breaks my heart not to see her face again, I absolutely think the new model (based on that leaked pic, not the poster) is gorgeous as hell. She is beautiful and still looks like Jill to me. However, I would be very open to a Julia Voth face mod. They made one for Revelations, I guess they could make one for this remake. Only issue is the engine so I am not entirely sure they can make a Julia face mod work with the graphics and style of the game. But modders did make Claire face mods that still look fine in the game so maybe a Julia face would work. Fingers crossed, I'm hopeful. I dont see why its "real crappy" of Capcom, she was a teenager when she did REmake, and is literally twice that age now. I would prefer to see them work with new models like it was done for several other RE titles by now, rather than just have them make a special exception for Voth and keep de-aging her face until shes in her 50s. I think its cool that she's appreciative of her fanbase through her past interviews/AMAs, cosplays, streams, etc., but just like David Hayter for Solid Snake, that doesnt mean you are entitled to being permanently casted for that role, with none of the other past RE models getting that sort of preferential treatment. That said, I think its good that you arent one of those die-hards that feels the need to trash the new face looking like a "transitioning boy" just because its not Voth Jill in a tube top and a short skirt. Im also a bit disappointed that we probably wont see an official Voth Jill again, but I cant deny that the new Jill still looks damn good. Im looking forward to see what the modders have in store for this game's release, hell we already have a pretty good Voth Jill mod in RE2 with working facial animations. Oh, we're still doing this age nonesense? Even after it's been debunked? Ok here we go, during Re3 Jill is approximately 24 years old having been born in 1974, re3 takes place in 1998. Julia Voth the apparently "too old" woman is 34 years old as of today so she's not twice her age, not even close. Good try though. Is a 10 year difference really that big? For a character of the age of 24? Even with technology to make her appear younger? NO. "I would prefer to see them work with new models like it was done for several other RE titles by now" You know this is really true, I'm REEAALLY tired of Jill being a white girl so I was thinking for her next appearance she could be asian, or even armless, how about in a wheelchair? I wanna see them work with new models. Maybe Chris should start being a little bit skinnier, I'm thinking the wideness of a stick. Seeing them rework characters into resembling something they dont at all look like sounds GREAT. Also I'm not sure what titles you're talking about, what you mean re5 chris to 6? An improvement since he ACTUALLY still looks like chris, just with less steroids. Oh you mean chris 6 to 7? Yeah, he looks...great i think. Maybe a bit too light brown-blondish? OOOOOH you mean jiill remake to jill rev? I see, well that wasn't a very good new model, ok at best but very "meh?". Oh now I got you, you mean leon to re2 remake, well..I mean he looks A LOT like leon. Hmmm, Kinda like julia does to jill Admittedly the face isn't bad persay but....it just looks very generic. And julia's isn't since the entries she's been in has obviously made it iconic.
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Post by Zethras on Dec 12, 2019 1:09:55 GMT 10
I quite like new Jill's design, I find her kinda hot to be honest. As much as I find lame as hell all this whining about it. This just looks and sounds lime a wayward nostalgic complaint, actually
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Post by MadTrump on Dec 12, 2019 1:57:32 GMT 10
Julia Voth was 17 if not younger when she modelled for REmake, and is twice the age now. She looks gorgeous still and can still play the part, but if the only goal to hire her is to have the same face we are used to, they would need to de-age her to look like how she did in past games. I'm also referring to them needing to use new face models now that it's on a new engine, which is true for basically any video game series not just RE. Stop trying to turn this into a political discussion, it's not like any of the new actors are different races of their originals. If you want to vent about race changing, do it about Catwoman or Starfire somewhere else. I already said I would have liked to have seen Voth Jill again, but them hiring her again would be the exception, not the expectation. Aha, Yeah sorry got a bit confused by all the age talk. Yeah and what's wrong with de-agin her? Also that was my point. SHE ISNT TOO OLD, god damn. Jill is LITERALLY 24 years old during re3, Julia as of right now is just 10 years older. In what world is that considered too old? Just checked a 2019 pic, no wrinkles, no nothing that would hinder her from looking like jill. Also it's not like there were developer 3d scanning people in 2002 so let's compare Remake jill to julia today. And no, they don't need to suddenly start 3d scanning new face models becuz muh new engine, and honestly that doesn't even work as an argument against what im saying since even if that was the case they could hire julia voth and boom HQ Jill valentine. The old face models, plus a touch up of quality and reowork would have worked just fine. They're just saving a lot of time by 3d scanning. cdn3.imggmi.com/uploads/2019/12/11/ec3dc1031664529dbc99f48f3e3cfb6a-full.jpgDoes this REALLY look like she's too old? No it doesn't. That is a picture from 2019 of her. And yeah she may have been 17 at the time of modeling but here Jill obviously looks aged as shes actually portrayed as 24. It's not hard to understand, stop with this too old nonesense. it's ridiculous. And raceventing? Excuse me hello, the guy I was quoting said he wanted them to try out new models and I agreed as I said next time they should try out an asian Jill since hey, you never know how great change is until you try it. Especially when you alter a characters entire face to be completely unrecognizable. AND to finish I didn't even say anything remotely related to politics. Unless you consider mentioning a skin color and/or race discussing politics, which is stupid.
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Post by MadTrump on Dec 12, 2019 1:58:26 GMT 10
I quite like new Jill's design, I find her kinda hot to be honest. As much as I find lame as hell all this whining about it. This just looks and sounds lime a wayward nostalgic complaint, actually Yeah I said that. I made it clear as day early that I "whine" about a legit complaint because I grew up with the remakes.
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Post by Zethras on Dec 12, 2019 2:19:13 GMT 10
I quite like new Jill's design, I find her kinda hot to be honest. As much as I find lame as hell all this whining about it. This just looks and sounds lime a wayward nostalgic complaint, actually Yeah I said that. I made it clear as day early that I "whine" about a legit complaint because I grew up with the remakes. And I grew up with the originals, yet I don't compalin without an actual reasons like the majority of people here seem to do. You know what's really funny? The fact the majority of the people are talking shit about new Jill's design just because it's not Julia Voth. That's what I call being nostalgic fag, if you ask me. You guys just can't stand something different from what you're used to, just as much as everyone who talked shit about RE2 because it didn't have the fixed camera, or because it had prompts on screen, o because the models and voice actors for Claire and Leon was different. Well, screw that. I don't give a crap about these details, as long as the game is entertaining and I have fun playing it, everything else is needless whining.
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Post by cteden on Dec 12, 2019 2:39:11 GMT 10
I'm not particularly fussed with Jill's new design, I'll just wait for a mod to come out. But I can understand the frustration people will have with it. Julia Voth has a very distinct face, she is absolutely beautiful, and that's how a lot of people see Jill. That's been her face most games. I remember the outrage with Revelations where Capcom made her look completely different, it was a very stark and seemingly unnecessary change to make. I think the new Jill is pretty but tbh she kinda looks like a default preset in character creation. Her old face had identifiable features that the new face lacks. Also creates a bit of a problem with continuity because this is supposed to be Jill not very long after the mansion incident, and suddenly she looks completely different. I tend to get nitpicky with these kind of things, but in this case I don't mind so much because I know I will be able to find a Julia Voth face mod like I've done with Revelations. At the end of the day it's purely cosmetic and the modding community is incredibly talented so I don't have much to worry about.
I remember with Rise of the Tomb Raider, Camilla Luddington did the motion capture and her face was tweaked to look younger and more like Lara. The technology is there and this was like 4 years ago. Capcom could have done the same thing, but they didn't. I trust they have a good reason, scheduling conflicts maybe? I think it'll take a little getting used to but we'll learn to love her new look. I was concerned with Claire's new face but now I absolutely love it. This is probably gonna be the same thing.
Very excited for this game, I can't get enough of resident evil. I never got to play resident evil 3 so when I can it's gonna be a great experience.
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Post by Night Furious on Dec 12, 2019 2:50:16 GMT 10
You know what's really funny? The fact the majority of the people are talking shit about new Jill's design just because it's not Julia Voth. That's what I call being nostalgic fag, if you ask me. You guys just can't stand something different from what you're used to, just as much as everyone who talked shit about RE2 because it didn't have the fixed camera, or because it had prompts on screen, o because the models and voice actors for Claire and Leon was different. You are not right. Some people just think the new design and face is not attractive and not just because it's not Julia. This is a matter of taste and for each concept of beauty are individual. Even if I abstract from Julia, I don’t like this new face just because I don’t think this girl is beautiful for me and I would be more glad if they found someone else as a model who would suit my preferences. But it is impossible to please everyone in this. Therefore, I just say that I do not like her and I consider her ugly, only because she doesn’t like me visually as I see her.
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Post by shadowfan1 on Dec 12, 2019 4:18:55 GMT 10
i actually kinda like the new jill now, after the trailer came out and we got to see more of the new designs of the characters, ive grown to like it, still see Julia as jill though
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Post by MadTrump on Dec 12, 2019 4:35:07 GMT 10
Yeah I said that. I made it clear as day early that I "whine" about a legit complaint because I grew up with the remakes. And I grew up with the originals, yet I don't compalin without an actual reasons like the majority of people here seem to do. You know what's really funny? The fact the majority of the people are talking shit about new Jill's design just because it's not Julia Voth. That's what I call being nostalgic fag, if you ask me. You guys just can't stand something different from what you're used to, just as much as everyone who talked shit about RE2 because it didn't have the fixed camera, or because it had prompts on screen, o because the models and voice actors for Claire and Leon was different. Well, screw that. I don't give a crap about these details, as long as the game is entertaining and I have fun playing it, everything else is needless whining. Complaining that changing the character to something different than what has already been an established look across 3 titles is too drastic ISNT an actual reason? I don't know what backwards world you live in but that seems like a good reason to me. Also I TOLD YOU IM BEING NOSTALGIC. Holy mama I already established that THAT probably is the reason why I'm being so critical of the new design a couple posts ago, and just because I'm critizing it partly because of nostalgia does not mean my complaints dont hold any merit because, uuhh they do. Also I feel like a broken record here, but the only complaints in re2 i heard were about Claire, and to me she looked great. Same as Leon, oh and I could care less for fixed cameras, or button prompts. And now you say that you don't care about the details, or anyone complaning so my simple question is why did you even bother injecting you into this specific discussion? Kind of contradictory there pal.
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Post by Snipz on Dec 12, 2019 8:37:15 GMT 10
I feel like this discussion should end now.
Some people like new Jill, some people don't, some people want Julia Voth.
We're given the cards were dealt unfortunately. And adding to a fire will just keep it going longer.
Moving away from Jills face, I'm loving how the game looks just from the trailer and I get the impression their expanding on RE3s story ALOT. Can't wait to see whats remade, whats changed and whats added. Few things I noticed, Brad outside Bar Jack which was the bar he was bitten at in the OG, Carlos and Tyrell going to the RPD (mentioning the STARS office?) wonder why they're going there also Carlos didn't go there in the OG or even walk around with Tyrell since he (spoilers) dies pretty quickly in the OG. Also Fluffyquack showed me and some friends the dodge animation is the exact same animation as Revelations 2 dodge, well I guess reuse what you got if it works. Also there was loads of civies running around, wonder if they'll have a purpose like saving them or something.
The game looks fantastic and I can't wait to see more personally.
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Post by shadowfan1 on Dec 12, 2019 8:57:44 GMT 10
i agree with snipz, the Jill Face stuff has taken up about half of this thread.
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Post by eternalentity on Dec 12, 2019 14:43:50 GMT 10
I can see myself playing with the usual kind of mods that bring designs and ideas back from the original title, very much like my taste in mods for the RE2 remake. Sadly, mods can only fix so many problems I had with that game. I predict another case of enjoying the first 30 minutes of the game, strongly disliking the way things go, wishing things were this way and that way, finding mods that bring the nostalgia back, then just completely giving up on it once that novelty wears thin. That's if I even bother with this new one at all because that trailer that gives off Reused Assets of Evil vibe and Jill's Alice from the live action movies design just isn't doing anything for me.
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Post by MadTrump on Dec 12, 2019 20:49:48 GMT 10
I feel like this discussion should end now. Some people like new Jill, some people don't, some people want Julia Voth. We're given the cards were dealt unfortunately. And adding to a fire will just keep it going longer. Moving away from Jills face, I'm loving how the game looks just from the trailer and I get the impression their expanding on RE3s story ALOT. Can't wait to see whats remade, whats changed and whats added. Few things I noticed, Brad outside Bar Jack which was the bar he was bitten at in the OG, Carlos and Tyrell going to the RPD (mentioning the STARS office?) wonder why they're going there also Carlos didn't go there in the OG or even walk around with Tyrell since he (spoilers) dies pretty quickly in the OG. Also Fluffyquack showed me and some friends the dodge animation is the exact same animation as Revelations 2 dodge, well I guess reuse what you got if it works. Also there was loads of civies running around, wonder if they'll have a purpose like saving them or something. The game looks fantastic and I can't wait to see more personally. I can't wait for more Carlos, he looks badass in his new design and sounds like someone you can rely on. And, as the previous guy said I sure hope it's not some rescue mission where you're FORCED to save others. Maybe as some side thing would be fine for me. Like maybe it could work as a sort of dilemma to the player: Use the bullets you have to save the survivors and maybe get some supplies back from them, maybe some key to some locker in one of the apartment buildings seen at the start of the trailer.
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Post by JTeghius Kittius on Dec 13, 2019 1:00:50 GMT 10
I feel like this discussion should end now. Some people like new Jill, some people don't, some people want Julia Voth. We're given the cards were dealt unfortunately. And adding to a fire will just keep it going longer. Moving away from Jills face, I'm loving how the game looks just from the trailer and I get the impression their expanding on RE3s story ALOT. Can't wait to see whats remade, whats changed and whats added. Few things I noticed, Brad outside Bar Jack which was the bar he was bitten at in the OG, Carlos and Tyrell going to the RPD (mentioning the STARS office?) wonder why they're going there also Carlos didn't go there in the OG or even walk around with Tyrell since he (spoilers) dies pretty quickly in the OG. Also Fluffyquack showed me and some friends the dodge animation is the exact same animation as Revelations 2 dodge, well I guess reuse what you got if it works. Also there was loads of civies running around, wonder if they'll have a purpose like saving them or something. The game looks fantastic and I can't wait to see more personally. The discussion is never gonna have any winners/people changing their minds. some like it one way, others want it another way. No-one is gonna change their minds so there's no real point in continuously going on about the same thing back and forth... I'm not gonna say people can't voice their opinions on the matter, but if you do try to keep it civil in here That's what I call being nostalgic f*g I'd advice you to choose better words for voicing your disagreement with people next time. preferably a choice of words that doesn't include homophobic slurs. Or I'll be forced to take stronger actions next time.
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Post by JTeghius Kittius on Dec 14, 2019 2:02:49 GMT 10
Nemesis voice clip has been found in the new RE2R "RPD" demo
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