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Post by extravagant on Feb 1, 2019 7:32:23 GMT 10
If anyone here is a classic RE person such as I then some of you will think the new RE2 imagined zombies look, sound, and act very different from classic RE zombies. They sound more generic, like The Walking Dead zombies or something and they don't have their signature iconic bloody footstep sounds, and they don't moan like the classic zombies did too.
I just wanted to create this thread to show that the classic zombies sounds like their footsteps should be modded in.
In the youtube clip below the guy makes a good point regarding the change in zombies walk, sound, animation, etc..
Maybe someone could refer to the RE1 REmake (2002/2015) or RE0 for the most updated formula of the classic zombies. Even in RE0/REmake they still moaned like real zombies and had their signature bloody walking footsteps.
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Post by clarionhorn on Feb 1, 2019 13:58:40 GMT 10
the only problem with this is the old sounds are really bad. yeah they have a unique human quality to it, that's because of budget, they couldn't actually put the sounds through a lot of post production so it just sounds like a guy making noises over mic.
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Post by extravagant on Feb 1, 2019 18:02:31 GMT 10
the only problem with this is the old sounds are really bad. yeah they have a unique human quality to it, that's because of budget, they couldn't actually put the sounds through a lot of post production so it just sounds like a guy making noises over mic. I wonder if you actually ever played RE at all... lmao. If you were a true RE fan and player you wouldn't be saying something so obviously stupid or naive.
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Post by clarionhorn on Feb 2, 2019 12:49:03 GMT 10
first of all, i do prefer the old version of the sounds vs the new generic ones(but only in terms of its art direction, ie more human like and less modern zombie). secondly, why would i need to play the older game? the video you posted shows the exact issues with the sounds as i described. resorting to fanboyism and nostalgia glasses doesn't address the issues i raised with the quality and the issue with the sounds being very amatuerish
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Post by icelancer on Feb 3, 2019 0:21:25 GMT 10
I do have to agree with extravagant on this. As YT person said and i quote: Psychologically new sounds aren't nearly as real and scary as old" The atmosphere just isn't there..and in this i will point out entrance to police station..How marvelously psx version did that..man i was so hyped to see that scene when Leon enters station, and it zooms in on interior and moves camera arround with amazing music background.. instead.. on this ..i just got Leon pushes the door, Leon enters the station.. and..nothing , nothing at all. It was like , ah another stupid hallway... presentation..really lame
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Post by extravagant on Feb 4, 2019 4:04:13 GMT 10
l). secondly, why would i need to play the older game? the video you posted shows the exact issues with the sounds as i described. resorting to fanboyism and nostalgia glasses doesn't address the issues i raised with the quality and the issue with the sounds being very amatuerish You just further proved my point lol so obviously you haven't played the older games
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Post by extravagant on Feb 4, 2019 4:09:15 GMT 10
"True RE fan and player" I really hate that I'm hearing that here of all places. I legit wish there was a rule against saying that, because THAT in MY opinion is TRULY stupid, even more so naive. "Why?", you ask in the back of your head. The answer to that is you don't define what makes someone a "true" anything. It's just a term used to gate-keep people who enjoy things in a manner that isn't like that of yours. Please fix this ugly attitude. I'm not even trying to be antagonistic when I say that, I mean it, PLEASE get this close-minded line of thinking open, please. To think like that is ignorant down to the VERY definition. A little PC and lame don't you think? When did truth become anything less than truth and turn into subjective opinions? The new RE2 sucks anyway the original on HD Textures + dolphin emulator is the best you're gonna get When I say true RE player I talk about ppl who know what they are talking about.... of course the RE1-3 PSX zombie sounds are extremely outdated but no one here remembers the RE1 Remake and RE0 zombie sounds??? The walking dead Zombies in RE2 remake sucks
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Post by clarionhorn on Feb 4, 2019 4:27:49 GMT 10
l). secondly, why would i need to play the older game? the video you posted shows the exact issues with the sounds as i described. resorting to fanboyism and nostalgia glasses doesn't address the issues i raised with the quality and the issue with the sounds being very amatuerish You just further proved my point lol so obviously you haven't played the older games even if i did, i would have come to the same conclusion, aka the truth is the original sounds sucked, anyone with ears can listen to the audio in the video and realize that. it sounded like a voice actor amateurishly breathing into the mic, i know it's hard to swallow, but it's the truth.
the truth will set you free. lol
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Post by clarionhorn on Feb 4, 2019 4:29:02 GMT 10
"True RE fan and player" I really hate that I'm hearing that here of all places. I legit wish there was a rule against saying that, because THAT in MY opinion is TRULY stupid, even more so naive. "Why?", you ask in the back of your head. The answer to that is you don't define what makes someone a "true" anything. It's just a term used to gate-keep people who enjoy things in a manner that isn't like that of yours. Please fix this ugly attitude. I'm not even trying to be antagonistic when I say that, I mean it, PLEASE get this close-minded line of thinking open, please. To think like that is ignorant down to the VERY definition. A little PC and lame don't you think? When did truth become anything less than truth and turn into subjective opinions? The new RE2 sucks anyway the original on HD Textures + dolphin emulator is the best you're gonna get When I say true RE player I talk about ppl who know what they are talking about.... of course the RE1-3 PSX zombie sounds are extremely outdated but no one here remembers the RE1 Remake and RE0 zombie sounds??? The walking dead Zombies in RE2 remake sucks next you're gonna tell me the old game had better graphics than the remake...oh wait.
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Post by extravagant on Feb 4, 2019 5:57:44 GMT 10
I'm just curious why you guys both started out cocky and arrogant and then if someone like me tries to humble you a bit you both blow up and accuse me for being cocky and arrogant? I never said I was better than you guys this is a modding forum I'm here to talk about creative ideas not get shit on for it. One guy clearly doesn't remember the change in zombie sounds from PS1 era to GameCube era so both you little kids think I'm literally referring to PS1 zombies lol
You guys both got ego issues and what's funny is you don't realize you started off acting that way and when I said something back both of you got so triggered you had to resort to false philosophical debates and typing your words out in caps lmao. Really just stop and move on with it, no need to get so offended over a modding suggestion lol
If some of you were true RE fans you would know the dramatic change of the traditional classics from PS1 to DC and then to GC....the fact that you keep assuming I'm talking about PS1 zombies exposes your lack of knowledge and experience in the games. A true RE fan would know this just saying just means you haven't kept up with the classics to know I'm not in any way saying I'm better than you guys lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 7:50:04 GMT 10
I'm just curious why you guys both started out cocky and arrogant and then if someone like me tries to humble you a bit you both blow up and accuse me for being cocky and arrogant? I never said I was better than you guys this is a modding forum I'm here to talk about creative ideas not get shit on for it. One guy clearly doesn't remember the change in zombie sounds from PS1 era to GameCube era so both you little kids think I'm literally referring to PS1 zombies lol You guys both got ego issues and what's funny is you don't realize you started off acting that way and when I said something back both of you got so triggered you had to resort to false philosophical debates and typing your words out in caps lmao. Really just stop and move on with it, no need to get so offended over a modding suggestion lol If some of you were true RE fans you would know the dramatic change of the traditional classics from PS1 to DC and then to GC....the fact that you keep assuming I'm talking about PS1 zombies exposes your lack of knowledge and experience in the games. A true RE fan would know this just saying just means you haven't kept up with the classics to know I'm not in any way saying I'm better than you guys lol I just blocked you upon discovery that I could do so. Have fun continuing to be toxic.
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Post by extravagant on Feb 4, 2019 9:21:10 GMT 10
Loooool fine with me I just don't understand when ppl antagonize me first then I defend myself and they can't handle what I say back to them so they freak out
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Post by mirageandjazz on Feb 6, 2019 12:32:23 GMT 10
There is not such thing as a "real fan" your either a fan or your not, that is a fact of reality and saying otherwise is delusional.
People only use such a term as an "insult" when their opinions are challenged and are threatened by it and thus use the term as a way to feel like their right and superior.
Classic sounds probably would of been fine if this was a Remake in the style of the other Remake where it was slower and only had a couple zombies per room but this RE2 is a modern reimagining using a new point of view compared to years ago when the original Resident evil came out, the old sounds would not have fit the faster paced Zombies of this game.
Things change and evolve that's what happened with the sounds just like other parts of the game have been changed for the sake of modernization for a different audience then the time frame of the original Resident Evil 2.
And Op I'm pretty sure people are antagonizing you less for your opinion and more so for the immature hostility you have been using in this thread.
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Post by curseofnight86 on Feb 6, 2019 12:49:48 GMT 10
Attitudes aside, I miss the old sounds.
Edit: That's the aspect I 'liked'....
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Post by dickmastersonsdick on Feb 6, 2019 14:40:01 GMT 10
I think the problem more so comes from the fact that you played the original Res 2 when you were young and this was a completely new experience to you. I'm not trying to say your blinded by Nostalgia, because I don't think you are. I think it's just important to remember that this is a REMAKE. So for someone like me who enjoyed the original, I'm happy to be playing something new but similar in theme and design. I don't think it's very fair to compare your emotional experience of playing a PSX game that came out years ago to this. If you are to compare the two games you have to go about looking at it from a mechanics standpoint - how does tank like controls increase the tension of the game comparatively to the new free move? How does the addition of Ada's portion increase our understanding and enjoyment of the game? How does the Remake correctly implement modern game design into a 10+ year old game and how does it fail? See, the games are just two different beasts. It's not the same as comparing the Res 1 Remaster to this, as this game LITERALLY feels more like a RES 4 version of RES 2. If that's not you want, I understand your disappointment, but assuming that you'll hit the same emotional beats that you experienced a decade plus ago is just not possible, especially with the overhauled mechanics and design down to the core of this game. This isn't Res 2, so you shouldn't really look at it like that. You should look at it like a "re-imagining" the same way that you'd look at a reboot of a movie series. Look at Samurai Jack, the last season feels like a re-imagining of the original series, while still keeping elements (such as tone, theme etc) that is important to the overall narrative it's trying to tell. That being said, completely overhauling the game does alienate people such as you, which are the ones most excited for Res 2 remake. This is why I understand your frustration, as I wouldn't of wanted the Res 2 Remake we got if I had the same emotional attachment you had on your first play through all those years ago. I on the other hand appreciate the new experience through a modern lens, and while I certainly don't appreciate Res 2 Remake as much as the Res 1 Remaster, I am happy to be playing a game that feels like a new breath of air, as opposed to just updating textures and models. There are plenty of mods out there that Make Res 2 (original) look, play and sound better without sacrificing the emotional experiences you're attached to, so I'd recommend trying those out if your dissatisfied with this Remake. I played Res 2 (original) in prep for the remake, so I don't have the same nostalgic value you may have with it, however I do definitely see the downsides and drawbacks from its very base design that comes with changing the game completely. However, I just think of it like if a different director tried to direct the same film, however in this case it feels almost as if Guillermo Del Toro Directed the Remake while Kubrick directed the Original. The subtle nature of the original, relying more on the idea of whats happening more than the dark lighting and nice blood textures in the remake. It's the difference between your imagination and a painted out picture, and honestly I'm not sure which one works better thematically. I don't think there's a right answer. As for the sound design of the game, I mean come on. The new sounds are higher quality, and fit with the Atmosphere of the Remake much better than if you put the cheesy cheap sounding lines from the original in forcibly. This game is much much less cheesy, but the game does acknowledge how cheesy the original was with certain important lines carried over from the original to play at the nostalgia of older players. What I was hoping for, when the game was announced, is that the Special Edition that comes with "Original Soundtrack" that It'd replace all the sounds and lines with the original, which would be an amazing callback to the original that people (like op) desperately want. Instead it's just the original music, which is nice, but not an additional 10 dollars nice. So in short, the special edition should of just redone all the sounds with the originals game to make that 10 dollars more appealing, and to bring all of you guys closer to the experience you had all those years ago. Having a paywall to pay for it is lame, but if you feel as if it would increase your appreciation of the remake, I suggest trying it with the original soundtrack: That descending piano sound is something I missed, as the Res 2 original soundtrack was amazing. So for the guy that was disappointed with entering the police station, try it with the original Soundtrack! Maybe it'll bring you back to when you were young All of this said, can't we all agree these are two master class games in their own right, and that we're lucky to live in an age where Capcom isn't repeatedly raping the nostalgia of the franchise without putting in effort. I'm happy we're getting good Res games, as tbh I only really liked 1-3. 4 Just wasn't my thing, which is surprising because I really enjoyed this remake. Just something to think on.
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